Bravo, bravo, bravissimo! To the whole T4T LHC@home 2.0 team.
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You know, if the project is "going public", BOINCstats will list betas, and we could get our credits at this project into our totals.

I am giving up, donating five threads which right now do not go into my credit at BOINCstats.

I would sure enjoy seeing that activity in my totals.
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what good news! Daniel thank you very much, I'm really happy for that :D
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Fabulous!! Thanks so much.
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THX! So I'm back in again ;)
I was one of those nasty bastards that went uninvited for the first test, that wasn't intended to be open ;)

Unfortunately it's gone with the wind: http://cvmathome.cern.ch/test4theory/results.php?userid=14

But that's life :D
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I think that there should be a goal for scale of the project. There is an obvious benchmark: SETI@home. SETI@home is the largest of the projects running on BOINC software, and well it should be. This project is the mother ship of all of BOINC.

SETI@home has 153,482 users on 234,068 "hosts" (computers). The current average per second is 499.708 TeraFLOPS (source BOINCstats). That would be about 14th on the list of the TOP500 super computers, just above BlueGen/L at LLNL which is at 458.61, except of course that SETI is virtual, being distributed, and does not count.

The LHC is the largest scientific experiment ever devised my man - if one can call it one experiment. For anyone who has seen the Gray Book of participating institutions world wide; for anyone who has visited the CERN web pages for ATLAS, ALICE, CMS, LHCb; if one reads any of the blog posts at Quantum Diaries, it just becomes obvious that the quantities of data are enormous.

If LHC@home 2.0 is to be thought of as a significant help, the project needs to have huge scale.

So, looking at SETI@home is not outlandish. It is a goal. At the rate that some guys can build Linux boxes on the cheap, this should not be totally out of reach. Over at World Community Grid, there have formed up teams of crunchers who build and "race" their machines, with WCG credits as the telling scores.

This is not WCG, we get one WU per machine at any one time. So, no racing. But the LHC itself should be enough of a hook to get the project into that sphere of scale and size.

I offer these thoughts with complete respect for the the scientists, I/T people, managers and administrators of this project.
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Scientists are not going to port their programs to Windows for the sake of BOINC. The BOINC_VM strategy is viable and all Windows users can participate.
Tullio

Scientists are not going to port their programs to Windows for the sake of BOINC. The BOINC_VM strategy is viable and all Windows users can participate.
Tullio

You are formally right. I was replying to a question you posed in another thread:
So, my question is, can T4T, even if it succeeds in its process, can T4T and then LHC@home 2.0 be a real help if it sticks to Linux.

Tullio

Dear all,

You can find the project T4T in BOINCstats.com:

http://boincstats.com/stats/project_graph.php?pr=test4theory

Regards,

Daniel

You are formally right. I was replying to a question you posed in another thread:
So, my question is, can T4T, even if it succeeds in its process, can T4T and then LHC@home 2.0 be a real help if it sticks to Linux.

Tullio

I mentioned going out to the US/LHC bloggers. If anyone wants me to stay away from these people, by all means, tell me.
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I am seeing people at SETI@home building Windows rigs with GPU boards, nVidia and ATI drivers, optimized applications from Lunatics, overclocked CPUs, water cooled heat exchangers,etc. I don't think they would have any problem in downloading a VirtualBox to run T4T and other LHC@home 2.0 programs. Some of them have asked me for information on how to participate and I gave it to them.
Tullio

Tullio-

You are The Man!! That is exactly what this project needs to happen.
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Tullio-

You are The Man!! That is exactly what this project needs to happen.

I absolutely agree with the opinion on the James Webb Space Telescope. It should go ahead instead of spending money to send people in space.
Tullio

Thanks. I always read the NYTimes and has read and printed the article about CERN. Recently the NYTimes put a monthly limit of 20 free articles.When I saw an article about my hometown, Trieste, and the relationship between James Joyce and Italo Svevo I wanted to read it but it was the 21rd article. So I had a bright idea, powered my Solaris Virtual Machine and read and printed it. The NYTimes thought I was a different reader. Cheers.
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There is a back door into the Times, unlimited. If you find your article via a Google search. Enjoy!!
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Saw my credits jump in BoincStats. Thanks!
Tullio

Tullio-

watch for a big bump. I got my 55,000 credits in one shot, which totally destroyed my bar graph. I generally do 9000-11000 credits a day in all projects, so, you know, it's hard to see everything. But, hey, Ill take the credits. I am giving T4T 5 of my 34 threads.
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Yes, that article in the New York Times was excellent, and gives some nice publicity to CERN!

It's about time.
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During the Beta period we will be introducing a graphic display to show volunteers what is happening with the CERN jobs that their Virtual Machine is running.

Thanks Daniel. Keep up the great work.

hey guys, i just joined T4T and when i run BOINC and the VM it stays at:

[<Datetime here>] [info] Got runjob
[<Datetime here>] [info] Got job to run with ID xxxxxxxxxx

Then i saw the debuggin page: http://boinc01.cern.ch/debugging
Alt+F5 to view the current processes and theres not boinc process running.

Is that normal? in the Co-Pilot activity u can see how it get more lines after mine.

Best regards,

Juan

hey guys, i just joined T4T and when i run BOINC and the VM it stays at:

[<Datetime here>] [info] Got runjob
[<Datetime here>] [info] Got job to run with ID xxxxxxxxxx

Then i saw the debuggin page: http://boinc01.cern.ch/debugging
Alt+F5 to view the current processes and theres not boinc process running.

Is that normal? in the Co-Pilot activity u can see how it get more lines after mine.

Hi, i've just joined the beta today.
Just one question is it normal that it only uses one thread of the host machine?
I have a Quad Core with HT and hate to see the rest of the computing power go to waste

Yup-

I thread, just one WU per machine at a time. But hey, that's what? Seven threads for other BOINC projects, including WCG projects.

I am a no-nothing, running this project on three hyper threaded quads, one hyper threaded dual core, and two standard dual core machines. If I can do it, anyone can.

Glad to have you. Any problems, you will get help. These guys are great.
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No, there should be 5 more lines after that. The last line should be...

[<Datetime here>] [info] Starting child process (PID xxxxxx) to execute the command for job (JobID: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx)

The red ID's will match.

That is correct. When the VirtualMachine starts it boots Scientific Linux. So on your Windows machine you have Windows on the "outside" with the VirtualMachine running inside Windows and Linux running inside the VirtualMachine. The Linux in the VirtualMachine doesn't run BOINC so BOINC doesn't appear in the list of processes. BOINC runs in Windows so you'll see BOINC only in Windows' list of processes.

Is that normal? in the Co-Pilot activity u can see how it get more lines after mine.

I'm not sure what you mean or what you see there, sorry.

I'm not sure what you mean or what you see there, sorry.

Its just the same as my first statement. The I'm pretty sure that the "copilot" screen is the name of the first one (Alt+F1). Right?

BTW, in my vm, the Second and third screen dont show anything.. Just black.

Well, im gonna wait this task to finish, and see what happens!

Thanks you all!

The ALT-F2 screen should have lines scrolling by every few seconds or every few minutes, depending on the running application. When the ALT-F1 screen says you have a new job, if you switch immediately to ALT-F2 you will see the names of the applications which are about to start, some startup info and after a couple minutes "events" will start to scroll by meaning the crunching is proceeding.

For me ALT-F3 and ALT-F4 are usually blank. Those are for error messages and I seem to get very few. Guess I'm lucky :-)

Is your ALT-F1 screen still struck at

[<Datetime here>] [info] Got job to run with ID xxxxxxxxxx

or do you see

[<Datetime here>] [info] Starting child process (PID xxxxxx) to execute the command for job (JobID: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx)

at the bottom?

From the datetime you can calculate how long it's been stuck there. If it's stuck at the first line for more than 10 minutes you should click Machine -> Reset to reset BOINC_VM. If it's been stuck at the second line AND the ALT-F2 screen is blank for more than 10 minutes you should reset too with Machine -> Reset. Reseting that way will reboot Linux in the VM and request a new CERN job.

Ee. This is crazy. VirtualBox? Cannot you just port it to 64-bit environemnt and to Windows? So it will run native on Linux and Windows? (you know, there is already cygwin, which will simplify things like bash scripts).

By complicating things so much, you reduce your userbase considerably. And it isn't very optimal considering cpu overhead and memory consumption.

Ee. This is crazy. VirtualBox? Cannot you just port it to 64-bit environemnt and to Windows? So it will run native on Linux and Windows? (you know, there is already cygwin, which will simplify things like bash scripts).

By complicating things so much, you reduce your userbase considerably. And it isn't very optimal considering cpu overhead and memory consumption.

I took some shots from my VM.

Alt+F1:



Alt+F2: As you can see there's nothing on it.


Alt+F5: Its always like this and i've never saw any process using more that 3% of the CPU


Is there anyway that i can do to be sure that its doing something?

Thanks!

Daniel,

The network is working correctly. It's says OK when it gets IP while starting and it has activity on the VM's status bar.

I've changed the network from NAT to Bridged and reboot, just in case. And it seems to be the same as before.

Is there anyway to log in the VM and see if it got an address by myself?

Regards

EDIT:
This is the VM's Session Info:


As u can see there's network activity.

I am having problems attaching to the project and I cannot work out why. Please someone help.

Below I attach the initial start up messages, next is the message I receive when I try to attach. I do have an account with T4T and I have made sure I am using the correct password.

11/08/2011 14:06:48 | | Starting BOINC client version 6.12.33 for windows_intelx86
11/08/2011 14:06:48 | | log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task
11/08/2011 14:06:48 | | Libraries: libcurl/7.19.7 OpenSSL/0.9.8l zlib/1.2.5
11/08/2011 14:06:48 | | Data directory: C:\ProgramData\BOINC
11/08/2011 14:06:48 | | Running under account My Leg-Oh
11/08/2011 14:06:48 | | Processor: 4 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU 760 @ 2.80GHz [Family 6 Model 30 Stepping 5]
11/08/2011 14:06:48 | | Processor: 256.00 KB cache
11/08/2011 14:06:48 | | Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss htt tm pni ssse3 cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2 nx lm vmx smx tm2 popcnt pbe
11/08/2011 14:06:48 | | OS: Microsoft Windows 7: Professional x86 Edition, Service Pack 1, (06.01.7601.00)
11/08/2011 14:06:48 | | Memory: 3.47 GB physical, 6.93 GB virtual
11/08/2011 14:06:48 | | Disk: 698.54 GB total, 412.19 GB free
11/08/2011 14:06:48 | | Local time is UTC +1 hours
11/08/2011 14:06:48 | | VirtualBox version: 4.1.0
11/08/2011 14:06:48 | | ATI GPU 0: ATI Radeon HD 5700 series (Juniper) (CAL version 1.4.1385, 1024MB, 1360 GFLOPS peak)
11/08/2011 14:06:48 | Einstein@Home | URL http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/; Computer ID 3458726; resource share 100
11/08/2011 14:06:48 | Milkyway@home | URL http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/; Computer ID 260023; resource share 100
11/08/2011 14:06:48 | SETI@home | URL http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/; Computer ID 5530655; resource share 100
11/08/2011 14:06:48 | SETI@home | General prefs: from SETI@home (last modified 29-Dec-2010 10:55:32)
11/08/2011 14:06:48 | SETI@home | Computer location: home
11/08/2011 14:06:48 | SETI@home | General prefs: no separate prefs for home; using your defaults
11/08/2011 14:06:48 | | Reading preferences override file
11/08/2011 14:06:48 | | Preferences:
11/08/2011 14:06:48 | | max memory usage when active: 1775.03MB
11/08/2011 14:06:48 | | max memory usage when idle: 3195.05MB
11/08/2011 14:06:48 | | max disk usage: 75.00GB
11/08/2011 14:06:48 | | don't use GPU while active
11/08/2011 14:06:48 | | (to change preferences, visit the web site of an attached project, or select Preferences in the Manager)

11/08/2011 14:16:20 | | Fetching configuration file from http://boinc01.cern.ch/test4theory/get_project_config.php
11/08/2011 14:16:27 | | Contacting account manager at http://boinc01.cern.ch/test4theory/
11/08/2011 14:16:30 | http://boinc01.cern.ch/test4theory/ | Message from account manager: file not found

11/08/2011 14:16:30 | http://boinc01.cern.ch/test4theory/ | Message from account manager: file not found

Jord, Thank you very much for your prompt assistance.
The difference in context (project - manager) was very subtle.
I would not have seen. :)
All fine now.

Hi everyone.
I have had big problems running test4theory/lhc2. This revolved around shuting down.
On restart I would have fresh work given me,I reached the state were my linux box ran for over 24 hrs,untill shutdown.
I have now reinstaled BOINC attached to the project .It appeares VMwrapper7 has been downloaded.
BUT nomore work will be given me as fron CERNS end my PC was work to do despite trying to reset the project,.
Any sugestions please.
regards
jon.

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